The Groove is in the Heart
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Training by heart rate is a great way to train. There is a lot of information you can learn from a heart rate monitor. More often than not what I see happen with a heart rate monitor is that it slows people down. Which it should.
I met with an aspiring triathlete last week in fact, who is an extremely intelligent person. Try as I might I knew they were not buying the "slow down now, to go fast later." pitch. And I knew where the story would end. Not adhering to training zones, paces. Then burnout, injury and disgust would come next.
We talked about base phases, but they believed they already had a base. We talked about the right intensity at the right time; they wanted it all of the time. They wanted to go hard, go fast and right now. Their goal race is in September. This is February.
So many athletes have a terrific work ethic, and the harder, better, faster, stronger theme applies well to them. The biggest challenge I have is slowing them down during training.
I have been there myself.
So we will cycle through tests. Swim tests, bike tests and running tests. We establish heart rate zones, T times, and V Dots.
More often than not I get this email;
"I think my zone 2 is wrong. I am running with a cadence of 90, I am hitting my E pace, but I don't feel like I am working hard enough."
Bingo…. hold it right there. Don't change a thing.
I never have a question about a higher heart rate because no one has an issue with going harder.
Last week. I had the following question from one of my athletes:
If I open Joe Friel’s book, I can look up my LTHR and the table shows the heart rates for each of the zones. Zone 4 appears to be 96% of LTHR. My question really was is 96% accurate for all athletes, all ages. Zone 2 appears to be 85% - 91% of LTHR. Is it possible that for someone else it actually is 80% to 86%?
This was an excellent question. It brings up several good points.
First point; Joel Friel's book. Joel Friel is the author of the Triathlete's Training Bible. As my coach says people believe it to be THE BIBLE. It's definitely a terrific resource, but the best coaches and athletes have plethora of resources they pull from.
Now I am not arguing that Friel is wrong, his reputation speaks for itself. I am saying that there is more than one way to turn the wheel.
Friel has established a set of heart rate zones based on his theories, calculations, etc. Different people have different methods of calculating zones, and therefore different zones.
Many coaches have developed their own zones, and these zones sometimes cross over, sometimes don't.
Below is an example from a very detailed spreadsheet my Coach, Trevor Syversen of TMS Mulstiport sent to me. I wish I knew who put all of this information in one place because it is a fabulous reference.
Take a look at the differences:
Example:
Athlete Data:
Age= 46
Max HR by either using the age predicted or age and gender formulas= 191
Resting heart rate = 58
Lactate Threshold= 170
Now according to Joel Friel the heart rate zones are:
1 65% - 81% 110.5 to 137.7 Recovery
2 82% - 88% 139.4 to 149.6 Aerobic
3 89% - 93% 151.3 to 158.1 Tempo
According to Andy Coggan the heart rate zones are:
1 <>2.5 Hr) road races
2 69% - 83% 110.4 to 132.8 Aerobic Capacity. Endurance paced training rides
3 84% - 94% 134.4 to 152 Tempo rides, aerobic and anaerobic interval workouts (work & rest combined), longer (>2.5 Hr) road races
Cycle Coach Ric Stern bases his zones on Max Heart Rate
1 75% - 77.5% 143.25 to 148.025 Endurance Long Endurance 1.5 - 6 Hours
2 77.5% - 80% 148.025 to 152.8 Endurance Core Endurance
3 80% - 85% 152.8 to 162.35 Endurance Tempo Training
Sally Edwards uses Max Heart Rate Predictions
1 50% - 60% 95.5 to 114.6 Healthy Heart Zone
2 60% - 70% 114.6 to 133.7 Temperate Zone
3 70% - 80% 133.7 to 152.8 Aerobic Zone
The Karnoven Formula uses Max HR, Resting HR and Age
1 60% - 70% 137.8 to 151.1 Weight Management Zone
2 70% - 80% 151.1 to 164.4 Aerobic Zone
3 80% - 90% 164.4 to 177.7 Aerobic Threshold Zone
The American College of Sports Medicine uses Karvonen formula of Max HR and Resting HR
1 50% - 85% 124.5 to 171.05 20 - 60 Minutes continuous aerobic activity
3 - 5 days per week, alternating days
So to make it even simpler, or perhaps more confusing, just look at zone 2. Again we are not looking for who is wrong or right, we are just looking that there are differences in how to attain, how to measure, and how to set. Just notice that differences exist.
Friel 139-149
Coggan 110-132
Stern 148-152
Edwards 114-133
Karvonen 151-164
ASCM 124-171
Has your head stopped spinning yet? Who is right? Doesn't that seem crazy? Which one to follow? How will you know if you are in the right place? The right zone?
Then begin to add in all of the variations that heart rate training can give you. 10 beats here for dehydration, - 5 beats there because it is cold.
It's maddening.
Now…..
My husband Curt is a 51 year old male. Triathlete for 20 years. At age 51 he's still kicking around the youngsters in our area. He's a four time National Champion after the age of 45. He's done Hawaii. He's been an All American a hundred years straight. In fact he's on this year's Inside Tri All American list. He's a Long Course Duathlon Silver Medalist.
Curt Eggers does not wear a heart rate monitor. He uses no computer on his bike; he likely doesn’t even know his resting heart rate. Power meter? No thanks. Garmin? Forget it.
Tempo runs, sure he times and measures those but goes by the watch on his hand which does nothing more than start and stop.
His big training tools? A Timex Ironman watch and a big dose of Perceived Exertion.
Would knowing his LT or his FTP make him any faster? Knowing Curt it'd drive him bananas.
Tell him to run at tempo pace? He finds it. It's in his heart. He knows it. He probably has the keenest ability of any person I know…. to know exactly where he is at all times.
His results speak for themselves.
With all the differences in zones and theories and the mix of perceived exertion, what are we to do?
It's one of the reasons I love to train with Pace and Power ;-)
You have to use a combination of things, in my opinion. The largest priority should be given to Perceived Exertion, in my opinion. And there are even a bunch of Perceived Exertion charts out there.
I happen to like the one in Friel's book. For many of my athletes we have created our own simple version as well.
So the answer is not clear. There is no one correct answer. You have to weed though, understand the differences, and see what applies to you. Realize that HRM batteries will die, Power Meters will fail, Garmins won't locate.
HRM have their place. They are excellent tools to help you measure where you should and shouldn't be. They should be used as part of training. Not as the cornerstone.
There comes a time when everything shuts off and you are just left with your breath, your own pace, the sound of your own feet crunching through a dirt trail. The sound of the wind and the chirping of the birds.
I can promise you that's what Curt notices every single time he runs.
You know when you are going too hard.
More important than the very most exact and correct zone….. is accepting that easy days are easy. Hard days are hard. And every single day is not hard.
More important than which method is correct is understanding the principles of correctly building your season. You begin from the bottom up. You build a strong foundation with slow easy base work. Intensity has a place and a time, but without a foundation to support it, your house will fall down.
You wouldn't build the roof before you built the basement. And you wouldn't call it a house with only 1/2 inch of height on your basement.
So start slow, start easy. Tune into yourself, and tune into what's around you. There is a place for heart rate monitoring. There is a place for measuring. Just don’t' get so caught up in the readings, zones, etc., that you forget to look around. Don't get so caught up in the math that you forget why you are out running in the first place.
5 comments:
This is great! We have a LOT to talk about in SC - thanks for this entry. Can't wait to finally meet you! :)
Oh gosh this is over my head, I wish I was going to SC with you girls to train/learn/bond/chat/see wizards...
Have fun! Give Marit a good HR lesson for me-he he! AND pee on her in the pool!
Thanks for visiting my blog :) WOW...you have a lot on your plate: a triathlete, a triathlon coach, yoga teacher, spinning instructor, registered nurse (specializing in emergency medicine)a mom and a wife ...VERY impressed...Keep up the good work !
Mel
NO! Bad Bree Bad!
Then again - Mary is so fast anyway... so the pee will dissapate before I even get to it!
:)
Can you believe I found this while searching (Dec 08) the correct HR zones? Jen H is working with me and I still cannot seem to get my run zones right on... this just confirms it looking at the variations between all the masters of coaching out there!
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